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Guest Post: Getting Your DSC Fees Waived

Today’s post is a Guest Post, and you know my Opinion of Guest Posts normally, however, Barry has already done one guest post for me (causing quite the brew haha or ruckus). We shall see whether this causes as much “interest”. As usual all opinions put forward are those of Barry Choi and do not reflect the opinions of the site owner (my lawyers suggested that one).

A while back I wrote Signs your adviser doesn’t know anything.  This was a controversial post as some of the things I brought up didn’t sit well for some readers, but I will say this; the same points that I brought up is ultimately what helped me avoid paying deferred sales charges (DSC).

This is not a post about how to avoid paying your DSC fees, but rather a story of how I got mine waived.  I honestly felt my adviser was taking advantage of me so I looked at my records to build my case.

I have openly admitted that my biggest fault was not doing my due diligence; I took what my adviser told me for his word.  I honestly believed he was looking out for me and wanted to work with me.  For a while I was happy until one day a random stranger on a message board advised me to look into my management expense ratios (MER) and DSC fees.

For those unfamiliar with an MER, it’s a percentage that is subtracted from your account regardless of your returns for the year.  An MER averages 2-2.5% which may not sound like a lot, but over the course of your lifetime it can add up to quite a bit.  A DSC gives the adviser a fat 5% commission right off the top but as the investor you are charged a percentage of your portfolio if you decide to pull out your funds early.  Check out Preet Banerjee’s new book  Stop Over-Thinking Your Money! The five simple  rules of financial success for more info on fee structures with mutual funds.

Before this message board stranger mentioned MER’s and DSC’s I had never even heard of them before.  As you can imagine I was shocked when I found out what I was really paying.  My adviser told me he was being compensated by a minimal amount, which is technically true, but not once did he ever tell me that his commission was a fraction of the MER I would be paying no matter what.  I should note that he legally did not have to tell me that he would be getting a higher commission by putting me in certain funds.

I found out that all the funds I was in were back loaded and if I wanted out I would be charged a DSC fee of about 5%.  My heart sank at the thought of losing that much money. Not once was I ever told about this back end fee.

For a while I was ready to eat the loss.  I felt that taking the loss was worth it to cut my ties with my adviser.  Also I couldn’t understand why I was put into back loaded funds when I had made it clear I might need my cash for a possible home purchase in the near future.  The money I was investing need to be safe.

I decided to ask my adviser this, perhaps he had a legit explanation and maybe there was something I was missing.  His response was if I was not happy with my results he could switch my funds to something with more risk.

Okay this answer made no sense, I was asking about fees and misrepresentation and he answered with something completely irrelevant.  There were plenty of earlier signs of his incompetence but it was clear he wasn’t interested in salvaging our relationship.  This would be the last time I would speak to my adviser.

I was convinced that my adviser was lining his pockets with my funds.  Now this was a serious accusation so I needed proof and the proof was in the details.

I went back and found all the prepared statements my adviser had given me since we first met.  After our original meeting he presented me a plan in writing that clearly stated I was planning on buying a home.

Curious, if he knew I was planning on buying a home soon why put me in a fund that a) was heavily weighted in equities b) had a back end fee.  If he was looking out for my best interests it would have made more sense to put me in a fund that was more weighted towards fixed income and had no fees.  Sure this was my RRSP and it was long term, but again it was clear in writing that I might be taking advantage of the home buyers plan.

Since my adviser was no longer speaking with me I contacted his manager and explained the situation, right away he agreed that it made no sense that I was in a back end funds.  He was also disappointed to hear that MER’s and DSC’s were not properly disclosed.  He promised me he would look into it and asked me to send in any supporting documents I had.

I decided to check my old e-mails to see what I could find.  A quick search in my e-mail revealed more evidence that supported my suspicions.  It also gave me evidence to show that my adviser was pushing products that didn’t quite fit my profile.

I forwarded all these e-mails to the manager and he promised me he would get back to me shortly.  After a week he contacted me and said all the evidence I provided supported my claims and the firm would waive all DSC fees as long as I agreed to sign a waiver that I would not be seeking further compensation.  Considering I was ready to pay the fees just to be rid of this company I was more than happy to accept their settlement.

A message board stranger, research, and good bookkeeping are the reasons I was able to get my fees waived.

A few months after I had left the firm I had found out that my adviser was let go.  Turns out the internal investigation revealed that he had made some very questionable investments for other clients, all of which seemed to maximize his commissions.  I indirectly was the whistleblower.

Barry Choi is a DIY Investor with no formal training.  During the day he is a Director for CityNews Toronto. You can follow him Twitter @BarryChoi

Feel Free to Comment

  1. Eureka Investor Guidance

    Hi Barry. Great post

    At Eureka we come across situations like yours too often. We have helped multiple clients escape DSCs over the last year.

    Usually the best course of action is to;
    1. First ask to be switched out of DSC funds, which to be honest usually ends in a no or a sales pitch like you received to be switched into some more or less aggressive with a new fancy name. Stay strong, ignore the sales…you’ve be duped or misinformed. Either way your advisor probably isn’t the advisor you want to continue with.

    We now write a formal letter. Why a letter? These people are salesmen. If you get in front of them you might find yourself walking out of their office wondering what just happened or what did you just switch to. In the letter state your evidence and concerns. Mention misrepresentation and suitability. Make sure you point out that you time horizon for investing wasn’t suitable for DSC fund i.e. you needed it sooner and the advisor knew this but still put you in DSC funds. Inform the advisor if they do not reverse the DSCs you will be filling a complaint with the MFDA and OBSI, and that they should be putting their errors and omissions company on notice. Also might be a good idea to quote misrepresentation out of the Canadian Legal dictionary. Misrepresentation can be deliberate or innocent but its still misrepresentation if you were sold of restricting fees with knowledge of them. MAIL THE LETTER OFF!
    Havent heard from your advisor? Send the letter the his supervisor.
    Still no traction. Mail or contact the MFDA and OBSI. This process can take a long time so be prepared to sit it out.

    We have not had a client go past point 3. Although larger accounts tend to cause advisors to put up a greater fight…more money = more motive

    Hope this helps. If anyone needs any help with a situation you can contact me and I can explain our services.

    Cheers, Kathy Waite – Eureka Investor Guidance

  2. Great post! I think that Barry is too hard on himself regarding “due diligence”. I also did due diligence and got caught on the DSC fees. In my case, a quick analysis shows that the point where I can get out without penalty is after 6 years of a 7 year DSC. I am waiting for that day.

    I was also taken aback by the manager’s reaction. I suspect that he knew all along. My advisor showed up weeks later with a paper to sign saying that DSC fees were discussed. However, it is rarely discussed in totality.

    The truth of the matter, is that if MERs and DSCs were discussed during the “pitch” then the advisor would not be able to easily close the deal. It is industry practice to gloss over the costs and focus on the investment plan. They have years of practice on this.

    The fact that the majority of compensation is paid up front, means that the person is a salesman and not really an advisor, certainly not a fiduciary one.

    The negative side of the DSC for the fund companies is that once the full effect is known by the client, that money leaves and never returns. It is not a practice that lends to many repeat customers.

    From now on I am on the ETF and Index fund bandwagon.

    cheers, and Happy 2014.

    rob…

    1. Hey Rob,

      I have to admit that the manager was very helpful throughout the process, I believe the evidence I provided was pretty strong so it was impossible to ignore.

      I actually have no problem with advisers if they are clear and transparent. I know eventually I’ll need to work with one but if they are clear about their fees and I am satisfied with it, then I have nothing to complain about.

      1. Barry,

        I am glad that you had a good experience with the manager. I am often curious as to where their loyalties lie. They are clearly divided between the customer and fund company.

        As for my next advisor, they will be a fee for service advisor where there is no potential conflict of interest and there is no payment from the fund companies.

        Congrats on getting your DSC charges waived.

        rob…

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